Need help convert bmk 5449-12-7 to free base A-oil

[serialz]

this morning I decided to do it differently.
I wanted to raise my cooking temperature even more. so I had added 150ml of sulfuric acid 96%. now my liquid boiled over 170°c I let it boil for two and a half hours ( see video )

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this is the same flask from yesterday with the same content

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SaulExcellent

Keep us informed about the next steps

 

[G.Patton]

this is a stupid question for you, but I'm going to ask it.
So I distill the upper layer only, or everything together?

SaulOily layer of course

all the metal is gone this morning, so maybe it is not needed anymore?

What did you do for this? They just dissolve?

 

[Bartholomeus]

@Saul please post your yield

How much grams of powder you used and how much ml of pure oil you got back.

And why did you add sulfuric acid to it? Where did you heard this?

 

[Saul]

Oily layer of course

What did you do for this? They just dissolve?

G.Pattonhello Patton

yes they just dissolve I think they use verry bad quality stainless steel .
the rod is ok this picture is how it looks when it was new

 

[Saul]

@Saulwhy did you add sulfuric acid to it? Where did you hear this?

ChingShih
It was just thinking by myself. And I had nothing to lose for trying .

I post final results when I have them .

 

[serialz]

hello Patton

yes they just dissolve I think they use verry bad quality stainless steel .
the rod is ok this picture is how it looks when it was new

SaulUse teflon, otherwise it will always be the same result.
There is no such thing as good or bad stainless steel with strong acid. HCl, H2SO4, HBr, HNO3 etc. It will always be the same result. 10€ on Aliexpress...

 

[Saul]

Use teflon, otherwise it will always be the same result.
There is no such thing as good or bad stainless steel with strong acid. HCl, H2SO4, HBr, HNO3 etc. It will always be the same result. 10€ on Aliexpress...
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serialz
yes my friend I order today but it is more expensive 24€ with plug for flask 29

 

[SpeeD]

1. What does a-oil mean?
2. What is 1kg ap, is it apaan?
3. Are you done? Phenylacetone?

1 kg ap 0.5 water 1.2 phorsphor ( so here I use an extra 0.5liter phosphoric ) 140 degrees 5 hours with agitator
You have to get 140 degrees at a lower temperature you get dirty oil

Saul​

 

[Saul]

1. What does a-oil mean? Amphetamine free base
2. What is 1kg ap, is it apaan? BMK powder ( legal use in eu )
3. Are you done? Phenylacetone? no

1 kg ap 0.5 water 1.2 phorsphor ( so here I use an extra 0.5liter phosphoric ) 140 degrees 5 hours with agitator
You have to get 140 degrees at a lower temperature you get dirty oil

Saul​

SpeeD

 

[Saul]

So today I try again with some things different.
I use 500gr BMK powder
250ml water
950 ml phosphoric acid 75%
40ml sulfuric acid 96%

picture

it is very thik liquid almost like pulp .

 

[serialz]

So today I try again with some things different.
I use 500gr BMK powder
250ml water
950 ml phosphoric acid 75%
40ml sulfuric acid 96%

picture

it is very thik liquid almost like pulp .

SaulHi,

It is very interesting to vary the chemical reagents... but would it be possible to have a yield. And therefore to distil your production to have a high purity and a final product.

Because without a comparison, it doesn't help much. And moreover it would be useful for the whole community.

So in short, a yield of your raw product after reaction and a yield after distillation.

Thank you in advance.

 

[Saul]

Hi,

It is very interesting to vary the chemical reagents... but would it be possible to have a yield. And therefore to distil your production to have a high purity and a final product.

Because without a comparison, it doesn't help much. And moreover it would be useful for the whole community.

So in short, a yield of your raw product after reaction and a yield after distillation.

Thank you in advance.

serialz
hello the photo is the result of the first step.
I'm a bit stuck for the second step because I can't find the explanation anywhere.

 

[serialz]

hello the photo is the result of the first step.
I'm a bit stuck for the second step because I can't find the explanation anywhere.

SaulIf I understand correctly you got P2P (phenylacetone)

You have to distil it to be as pure as possible and then you use for example this way of synthesis:

Leuckart amination of 1-phenyl-2-propanone (smale scale)

Or,

Amphetamine from P2P (phenyl-2-propanone)​

And,

Synthesis of methamphetamine from P2P via Aluminum amalgam

What don't you understand because I'm having trouble following you?

 

[Saul]

If I understand correctly you got P2P (phenylacetone)

You have to distil it to be as pure as possible and then you use for example this way of synthesis:

Leuckart amination of 1-phenyl-2-propanone (smale scale)

Or,

Amphetamine from P2P (phenyl-2-propanone)​

And,

Synthesis of methamphetamine from P2P via Aluminum amalgam

What don't you understand because I'm having trouble following you?

serialz
I started with bmk powder. the methods you post started with other products.
I just want to know what to do now to get A oil
I know that I now need 85% formic acid but there is no clear explanation to be found.

the street name off the oil I have now is B-oil so now I need to transfer it to A-oil

 

[serialz]

I'll explain what you just did is called a decarboxylation.

If your starting molecule is the cas 5449-12-7 and his name is BMK Glycidic Acid (sodium salt):

Mechanism:

BMK at the end of mechanism is Benzyl Methyl Ketone or P2P (Your orange oil)

The method you want to use with formic acid is a variant of the links above. But you will get the same result with amphetamine or methamphetamine:

(HCOOH is formic acid)

 

[Saul]

thx you serialz for trying to explane with hands and feet but Iam not yet out off it .

The last 3 days I search for answers and the only thing I find is more than 12 different people asking this same question in allot off different topics .
but for some reason they go off topic and the question remains unanswered everywhere

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

This is so funny, you have the patience of a saint @serialz

 

[serialz]

Take this pdf. All the method with the formic is on this pdf page 33 and after.

Don't forget that your orange oil is phenylacetone or p2p or 1-phenyl-2-propanone. This will help you find your way around the pdf.

What you call A-Oil is N-Formylamphetamine. You will find everything you want in this pdf even what you expect with formic acid.

But I think the problem is that chemically (no disrespect of course) you don't understand what you are doing and where you are going.

 

[serialz]

This is so funny, you have the patience of a saint @serialz

UWe9o12jkied91d
I am an eternal optimist

 

[Saul]

This is so funny, you have the patience of a saint @serialz

UWe9o12jkied91dhe is just a nice person. and he is really welcome here. the right man in the right place